Pandangie's Thread

[Angie Swindell]

Hey guys, and congratulations on making it to the final two. Although this is honestly not how I ever imagined the final two of this game would be, it's time to start thinking about who is going to flipping win this thing.

Enzo, it's no surprise that I adored you throughout the whole game. Our conversations were always so random but we could easily switch into game mode when we wanted to and I loved that. You were one person that I can say I trusted in this game, and that's rare. I do think you played a social game, I think most people had good relationships with you. You even lasted longer than your end-game enemy – Michele, so good job on all of that. However, I still have a couple of questions for you!

1) I know you had good relationships with multiple people in the game, but was I your number one?

2) Tell me a couple of things you did in the game that helped you reach the final two. Enlighten me with your strategy because I know you are capable of talking game, you did it with me numerous times. Aside from being the funny and likeable guy, what else did you do that makes you a winner?

Hi Justin. Although I'm not happy to see you in the final two, I'm glad that you get the opportunity to explain yourself and talk about your game because right now I'm not convinced you had the 'great' game you're giving yourself credit for.

On some level I am surprised to be here at the end, but I definitely worked extremely hard to be here. I knew coming into this that I would not be winning many competitions, so I relied on my social skills and strategy.

Although you say you worked extremely hard, I find myself needing to be sold on this one. Also, social skills? I know that whenever I had a conversation with you I found the way you went about the conversation left me to believe from about the second round in this game that you were shady and couldn't be trusted. There were about two people I had bad vibes from and didn't trust for the entire game, and you were one of them.

1) So, if you could, please give me specific examples of when your social game helped you out and how your strategy got you to where you are. To help display your strategy, I would like you to go through each round of the game and explain how you made an impact or how your strategy worked in your favour. Prove to me that you worked extremely hard to be here.

I made sure that I was liked enough by houseguests so that I wasn't evicted any time I was on the block. Which I think I performed well, since out of the two times I was nominated I never had a vote cast against me.

I just need to point out that the reason why you didn't receive any votes one of the times you were up on the block is because you gave up your right to play the following week and rendered yourself helpless. The majority of us decided to get rid of someone who had the ability to compete the following week; it was NOT because you were liked by everyone.

I full-heartedly believe had a single person been evicted at a different time then I could have left earlier.

2) This goes along with explaining your week by week game, but when you are doing that, please don't forget to go through each eviction and discuss how it helped your game.

Probably the biggest surprise to me was my ability to lie about certain things and still be safe.

I actually think that the way you constantly lied was just pointless and hurt your game more than it could possibly help you. I can respect someone who played the game and had to lie in order to progress themselves because sometimes lying is necessary. However, I feel like the way you lied was just for the hell of it. It was unnecessary, it seemed.

For example, if Michele were to make it to the end of the game she could have easily gotten my vote. Yes, she was partly responsible for my eviction by nominating me in the first place but she was honest about it and told me the reasons why she thought I was a threat to her. I knew Michele wanted me out, and I knew you did too. The only difference is that you continued to lie constantly for no reason and it was just stupid. Your lies weren't even very good.

"Going to vote for me to stay?"
"mhm"

That's a good lie? That was part of your evil plan?

3) So, yeah, basically...I want you to name a few times that you felt the need to lie about something and how it in the end helped your game.

Enzo and Justin, make those answers good because your opening statements didn't give the jury much to go on. EXAMPLES. EXPLANATIONS. IN-DEPTH STRATEGY AND NOT JUST "LOL CHESS GAME". POUR YOUR GAME OUT TO US. BOTH OF YOU.

[Enzo Palumbo]

Enzo, it's no surprise that I adored you throughout the whole game. Our conversations were always so random but we could easily switch into game mode when we wanted to and I loved that. You were one person that I can say I trusted in this game, and that's rare. I do think you played a social game, I think most people had good relationships with you. You even lasted longer than your end-game enemy – Michele, so good job on all of that. However, I still have a couple of questions for you!

PANDANZOs response- Thanks so much angie!! Im pretty sure it will come to no surprise that I adored you equally, if not more!! I always could be honest with you knowing that you wouldn’t go tell somebody else, and that’s why when we weren’t just talking about random subjects, I could be fully open with you. Thanks for the compliments and reminding me that I lasted longer than Michele! Who expected that when she was going on her reign of terror competition win-streak?!

1) I know you had good relationships with multiple people in the game, but was I your number one?

PANDANZOs response- I didn’t really operate under like ranking people into who I would take to the finals and all that stuff. I pretty much just made the decisions as they came. I made an alliance with Rachel from the start but then it was pretty obvious that she started getting closer to Britney than she was with me. And at the exact same time I got close to you and we talked ALL THE TIME. So while I wouldn’t betray Rachel, I was pretty much thinking it was gonna be me and you vs Britney and Rachel vs. Michele in the final 5. So, yes you were my number 1.

2) Tell me a couple of things you did in the game that helped you reach the final two. Enlighten me with your strategy because I know you are capable of talking game, you did it with me numerous times. Aside from being the funny and likeable guy, what else did you do that makes you a winner?

PANDANZOs response- While I dont claim that I was a mastermind, behind the scenes, chessmaster type of player, I think I played a really good game. I think what got me to the end was all the alliances I made where I kept them pretty much hush hush (UNTIL FRIGGIN MEMPHIS CALLED US OUT). Rachel and I had an alliance, me and you were the pandas, me and Memphis were the mid-game defunct dingos that ate a baby, Me and Natalie had an alliance early on, HELL even me and marvin teamed up to form an alliance called America. Last but CERTAINLY not least was my friendship with BRITNAY, where even though we didn’t say hey lets form a killer alliance, I consider it a non-spoken deal. Usually getting into so many alliances will get you destroyed in these games, especially with the fact that pretty much everybody has AIM chat logs that can get snitch out like its NOTHIN, I managed to avoid any of that(probably because I was only hoh once and I got the pov when I was nominated). It kept me on the loop on many things (I knew about Justin/Britney/Rachel/Memphs alliance and about Memphis Justin and Britneys powers before it was announced). So that help me predict what was gonna happen I also think that the fact that I was seen as a pretty poor competitor got me hear. Im not gonna lie and say that I was throwing them, because I wasn’t. But it had a ton of benefits to get me further, it was the reason that despite me talking shit to Michele she chose to evict Britney when it was a tie vote. It was the reason Justin voted out Rachel over me and why Justin evicted Michele.

So yeah that’s it, aside form being the funny and likeable guy

LONG LIVE THE PANDAS

[Justin Giovinco]

Oct 14, 2010 14:46:05 GMT -5 Angie Swindell said:

1) So, if you could, please give me specific examples of when your social game helped you out and how your strategy got you to where you are. To help display your strategy, I would like you to go through each round of the game and explain how you made an impact or how your strategy worked in your favour. Prove to me that you worked extremely hard to be here.

My social game helped me out this entire game I believe. I stayed close with Rachel and Britney, who definitely seemed like strong competitors from the beginning, had great relationships with Memphis, Marvin, Natalie, and April. I do admit that I didn't get to know Annie and Michele as much as I should have. I tried Eric, but I thought that he was going to only talk to whoever was in power (I know I expressed that to a few houseguests)

Week 1 - I remember having a group chat with Britney, Memphis, Enzo, Natalie, Marvin, and Michele and I think we were all cool with each other. Sharon told me about me going up before it happened and I made sure I got a feel for houseguests. I told Enzo and Natalie and they had my back before I went up. As soon as nominations were up, most of the people I talked to let me know that I would be safe. As soon as Britney won the veto she asked me to evict the replacement (since Britney, Sharon, Rachel, and Michele, I think were aligned they discussed their decision). Britney talked to me and told me she might veto me. When she did, I was safe (obvioiusly) and I worked with her more.

Week 2 - I won HOH and set my sights on evicting Sharon. I told everyone that I wanted Sharon up and out, but the pawn was the issue. I started talking to you more, Angie, and you were so nice and calm and I got the feeling from most of the houseguests that they liked you too: hence you being the perfect pawn. I know I was seen as a scary person to have HOH, but it was just the pawn part that I think scared people. This week was also the creation of the Dysfunction Alliance (Britney, Rachel, Memphis, and myself). I only call it that because I felt as though I was pulling two people (Britney and Memphis) together that were skeptical of each other. Maybe even Rachel was skeptical too, I don't know how she felt about Memphis. Memphis won veto and was my ally, so he didn't veto anyone and Sharon left easily.

Week 3 - Memphis won HOH and that was a safe week for my alliance. I got to plan with Memphis on who to nominate and I helped him a bit to get his Basement Power. I also began to tell people about my Power, I let Memphis, April, Natalie, Marvin, and Britney know. (Mistake #1, forgetting to let Rachel know, even when I told Britney I needed to). My plan was to gain trust of people I trusted. At the veto I tried to win it rather than go for prizes to keep my ally's nominations the same. Failed. But Michele won and kept them the same. I felt like my allies and I worked well, because we'd keep each other in the 'know' if someone was after us. Example being Memphis letting me know if houseguests suggested he nominate me. Marvin had to go due to Memphis' wishes. Before leaving Marvin attacked me saying that I was a jerk for evicting him, I tried to rectify the situation as he stated he was handing me the bomb. I guess I did enough there.

Week 4 - Britney won HOH, I think she knew what she was gonna do, but she let me know the possible nominations. I remember distinctly thinking "Angie is feisty this week". It was as though you were the same nice girl that I talked to on AIM, but you were going to be a fighter later on. So I wanted to win veto to keep Britney's nominations the same as I wanted Eric gone. To me he talked to people who were in power (He literally IMed me once, when I IMed him many times). So Britney secured her own nominations and after making sure with Britney, I evicted and campaigned to anyone that Eric should go.

Week 5 - I remember complaining about how there wasn't any drama, expect the Bomb that you had to deal with. But it seemed like that was the theme of the week, as Annie thought the same thing so she nominated Britney and myself, knowing we could have powers. So Britney uses her Mind Control and puts up Angie and April. Britney and I talked and figured that we had to win every competition since people were grouping us two together, probably because she vetoed me once. April and Britney went at it and although I was aligned with both, I couldn't stick my next out for April over Britney (which I ended up doing anyway). April tried to get an alliance of 5 to come together to take out Britney and Rachel, but I was super close to them, so I gave her a sympathy vote, and lied to my allies. :/

Week 6 - This was the beginning of me working with Michele I believe. I had a falling out with one of my strongest allies, Britney, for keeping April and lying about it. After trying to patch it up, Rachel wins HOH, which was good...or so I thought. I forgot to tell her about my power and I got nominated for it. So I talked to her and apologized, saying I really meant to, but screwed up and owned up to it. We patched things up and she set her sights on Memphis, which I wasn't happy about. Memphis won the veto and Annie hit the block. Like you said, me giving up the right to play in competitions helped, but I was also aligned with Michele, Britney, and Natalie. Before being nominated Annie even told me she would keep me. I told Enzo I wouldn't nominate him if I won HOH and he said he'd keep me (even though I was unable to compete. )

Week 7 - Enzo wins HOH and Memphis is automatically nominated. I think they were aligned so Enzo wasn't too happy, although I know Britney and Rachel were. I definitely used me being able to compete as a reason to keep me, but my alliances with Rachel, Britney, and Michele, and the Memphis-hate helped me survive as well. Michele and I made our alliance official this week, she said she was all along (which I didn't believe), but I believe she was somewhat on the outside. I remember telling Britney that I would love to make F2 with her and her response was "Yay!" It made me feel uneasy, like it was reciprocal.

Week 8 - Michele wins and targets Enzo. She talked to me about nominations so I had an idea what would happen. Honestly, I was ready to evict Enzo, since we had barely talked and I did with you, but he won the veto and it forced an ally on the block and had someone else voted with Enzo to evict Natalie I thought I would have jumped on board. In retrospect, I am glad the didn't, because I would have pissed Michele, Natalie, and whoever the lone vote was. Plus you would have won HOH and I would probably have been nominated. I threw Rachel under the bus and honestly didn't mean to, I tried to patch that up, but I didn't know if she was ok with me after that. We had a FF week, where the house consensus was to get out Natalie and I wasn't in a position to campaign so I went with it.

Week 9 - Michele wins HOH again and we talked about how we needed to beast the rest of the competitions which we did. She won HOHs, while I won POVs. Michele wanted Enzo gone at first, but I think she realized, just as I thought, that Britney and Rachel would take each other to the Final 2 over either of us. So when it was Enzo and Britney on the block, I had to betray the person that probably had my back more than anyone. I felt bad, but I had to do it to make F2 since I felt it for awhile that she wouldn't take me.

Week 10 - Michele wins HOH and I win POV. We talked about it and Rachel was the smarter decision for me at least. I felt like at this point, Rachel and I were fighting for the same position. Be in the F3 with two people who would NEVER take each other. That originally wasn't my plan, but it worked out that way, as I think they both would have taken me.

Week 11 - I win Final HOH. Like I said I didn't plan on getting to the F3 with people who would just take me. If that were the case, I could have thrown the Final HOH. I weighed my options and decided that in order to have a shot at winning I had to evict the last houseguest that I worked closely with. Even though I felt bad about the Britney and Rachel evictions, I felt extremely bad about the Michele one.

Oct 14, 2010 14:46:05 GMT -5 Angie Swindell said:

I just need to point out that the reason why you didn't receive any votes one of the times you were up on the block is because you gave up your right to play the following week and rendered yourself helpless. The majority of us decided to get rid of someone who had the ability to compete the following week; it was NOT because you were liked by everyone.

I do agree to some extent. Me not being able to compete in two HOHs and a POV helped my case, but I had 6 allies in the house at the time. If I was going after someone they didn't know until they were nominated/evicted. Annie made it clear who she was targetting when she was next to me on the block. I think that also helped my case. But you are correct also.

Oct 14, 2010 14:46:05 GMT -5 Angie Swindell said:

3) So, yeah, basically...I want you to name a few times that you felt the need to lie about something and how it in the end helped your game.

First I have to explain what you said. You versus Enzo, I wanted you to stay 100%. But not enough to campaign to my allies. I talked to Britney and we came to the conclusion that evicting you would be smarter. (Idk if she knew about your power, but had I known I wouldn't have promised to keep you at all). I told you that I wanted to talk to Rachel to see if she would keep you, if she had I would have kept you too. When Britney and I talked we figured that she was evicting you and I didn't see her online so I evicted you. I said that Rachel voted to evict you and that's why I did, but it wasn't a stab at her, it was the only way I would keep you after talking with Britney. I can see how this seems like a blatant lie, but it wasn't meant to be.

So your question. After I found out about the Basement few people asked me about the Basement that I lied to them about it. I know I had to so that my allies would get all the Powers. Also I had to lie to my ally Marvin about keeping him, which I wanted to do, but wouldn't be a good move for myself (as seen by the April vote). As weird as it sounds lying about voting to keep April was good for me. When Britney confronted me, it taught me that I could lose an ally at any moment, it wasn't guaranteed that Britney or another other ally was going to stick with me because we made an alliance. It humbled me down which is what I needed. Another lie was bringing Michele to the end. I knew this was her game and I had to stick with her until I couldn't any longer. I promised her we would be in the Final 2, but I would have made a huge mistake doing that.


So I had a fun ride, but it was more stressful than I would have every imagine it would be. Thanks Angie for those questions to let me explain my game. Please let me know if I screwed up somewhere.

[Angie Swindell]

Thank you both for taking the time to answer my questions so quickly.

Justin, I appreciate you explaining your game to me and writing so much. However, a lot of your responses involved you and your "alliances". I seem to get the feeling that you were, if anything, riding coattails and lucky to not be in the hot seat because the people you were apparently aligned with were such huge personalities. Everyone was focused on getting out everyone else and you were in the back. I also feel like a lot of the decisions were probably made as a group or as an 'alliance' and not by you. You never claimed to be this huge mastermind though, so I guess that's fine.

However, as I stated above, I am led to believe that you grouped yourself with some big players and managed to make your way to the end. I also noticed that you mentioned Britney and Rachel as big allies of yours, but I wasn't aware that you three were so close. I would be interested to see what Rachel and Britney have to say about that.

Also, how could you forget to tell Rachel about your power for two rounds? That's a long time.

I do appreciate you answering Justin, but these are just my feelings about your game. I feel like you were lucky to an extent and I don't think you had all of these connections within the cast like you made it seem.

[Justin Giovinco]

Oct 14, 2010 20:36:38 GMT -5 Angie Swindell said:

Thank you both for taking the time to answer my questions so quickly.

Justin, I appreciate you explaining your game to me and writing so much. However, a lot of your responses involved you and your "alliances". I seem to get the feeling that you were, if anything, riding coattails and lucky to not be in the hot seat because the people you were apparently aligned with were such huge personalities. Everyone was focused on getting out everyone else and you were in the back. I also feel like a lot of the decisions were probably made as a group or as an 'alliance' and not by you. You never claimed to be this huge mastermind though, so I guess that's fine.

However, as I stated above, I am led to believe that you grouped yourself with some big players and managed to make your way to the end. I also noticed that you mentioned Britney and Rachel as big allies of yours, but I wasn't aware that you three were so close. I would be interested to see what Rachel and Britney have to say about that.

Also, how could you forget to tell Rachel about your power for two rounds? That's a long time.

I do appreciate you answering Justin, but these are just my feelings about your game. I feel like you were lucky to an extent and I don't think you had all of these connections within the cast like you made it seem.

I did make a lot of decisions with groups. I probably can only take credit for Britney, Rachel, and Michele's evictions.

And idk how I forgot to tell her. It puzzles me too.